I left abruptly too, I knew I was unhappy and there were things I didnt agree with so I just stopped. I then called the book study overseer round to let him know (as the book study was at my house) and said there are things that I no longer agree with. I was left alone until they found a reason to hound me 8 months later! They invited me to a JD which I declined, and as far as i know I was DF.
cyberdyne systems 101
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Did I do wrong on skeeping the "fading" stage?
by flag inup to last month i was a witness in "good" standing in the cong.
i was not from the elite circle but everybody respects me and a lot of people go to me for advice or comfort when they feel left out by "holy ones".
so, i don't know if i made a mistake by cutting all jw activities at once because now i think i'm the topic of the conversation and phone calls already started to come this past weekend.
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My Dad died this evening
by Mulan ini thought i would let you know that my dad, passed away a little while ago, tonight, january 23. they called me at 6pm to tell me.
he had been failing rapidly for the past month, and had completely lost his hearing and was totally blind.
the dementia was extreme too, and he still knew me on thursday, but didn't wake up to know me in the following days.
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cyberdyne systems 101
Thank you for sharing, my thoughts go out to you
Arnie
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Question about Zion's Watch Tower
by jwfacts incan anyone tell me the year zion's watch tower was changed to the watchtower, and also why?
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cyberdyne systems 101
I dont know the exact answers to your questions, more a thought on it really. The full title included '..and herald of Christ's presence' It was these type of words that were being used by the Adventists, from where CT Russell gained the reasoning of the time of the end prophesies. At that time as you know it was believed that Christ had come invisibly from 1874 if I recall correctly, because of the discovery of the word translated: presence in one translation, and that as this magazine was printed during that believed time of his presence that it was to this the title refered. I will be interested to hear more on this as people reply.
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'Ruth class' ????
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini was speaking to my ex last night and saying how did she feel the governing body of the witnesses worked in practice, and that as annointed its been 71 years since the number was sealed - and therefore what happens when they become too old or dead?
she then mentioned the 'ruth class'.
i imagine this is some way the society is trying to alleviate the problem of the dying annointed by saying its a prophesy indicating that others would join the annointed and help out?
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cyberdyne systems 101
I was speaking to my ex last night and saying how did she feel the governing body of the Witnesses worked in practice, and that as annointed its been 71 years since the number was sealed - and therefore what happens when they become too old or dead? She then mentioned the 'Ruth class'. I imagine this is some way the society is trying to alleviate the problem of the dying annointed by saying its a prophesy indicating that others would join the annointed and help out? Anyone know more about this?
Arnie
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Generation Change
by slugga ini left the org slightly before the change in the "generation that was alive in 1914" thing was announced and wondered, what were peoples in the congregations reactions after this was announced and did it you notice people falling away because of it?
has it had a damaging effect?
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cyberdyne systems 101
I was there when this change came about and for me it didnt bother me at that time, partly cause I didn't read all the information (magazine's and what not), partly cause I went along with the B.S. that it hadn't changed a thing as the end was still just round the corner, and partly that looking back I dont think I saw the end of the world as a reality. When i look back at that i'm horrified that I associated with it for so long without any real reasons for doing so, apart from i was brought up in it...shame on me
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Slippers / shoes at book studies
by billyboy in.
hi everyone!
was there ever an issue as to whether you were / weren't allowed to wear shoes at a group book study in someones house , so everyone had to dump their shoes at the door?.
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cyberdyne systems 101
My experience was that some Elders insisted people keep shoes on like at the kingdom hall and others were more polite and caring and were happy to take them off. I used to quote the burning bush, where Moses had to remove his footware before the presence of jehovah.
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Gimme your best excuses
by justsomedude inok folks, i know there are some creative people on this board so help me out here.
i'm successfully fading so far, but every now and again i get some well meaning zealot ask me about my missing the 5 weekly brainwashing sessions and the priviledge of hocking crap door to door.
as sort of a reverse reasoning book, lets see some good conversation stoppers that wont give away my position.
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cyberdyne systems 101
I have been diagnosed with 'toretts' and have been asked by the elders to avoid being with the brothers
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Internally: I'm forever a JW
by Thegoodgirl ini just can't shake it.
my deep down personal self-image is that i'm a jw.
i was at my grandma's today in another city (she's catholic), and lo and behold, they knock at the door.
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cyberdyne systems 101
A good topic with some great replies. I can only agree with many view points: it is all we have known so to be away from it can feel lonely and scary. There were no choices to make as your life was already mapped out for you, it could be comfortable in some ways. But again how could one go back and deny the reality and truth about it now? The whole set up is banking on the reactions we have about leaving it. The system is set up to be dependance based, if it was easy to go many more would do so. As many of us contemplate our new lives cut loose from it, we have to start from scratch and its not the easiest thing to do, but many do and are doing so. I agree there maybe many things we liked about it and traits we may always have with us, time will create a new experience for us and that will become our past
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Whats the dumbest reason youve been counseled?
by avishai inmy friend was counseled for having a bad attitude because he wore white socks w/ his suit.
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cyberdyne systems 101
After reading some more replies, one of them jogged my memory:
I wanted to date this sister (now my estranged wife) and my jw mother didnt want to allow it (I was 19 at the time!) and so we were banned from doing so. The PO got involved as she went to him to discuss it, he happened to be our book study conductor at the time. In the mean time this sister and I got our parents together and got an agreement to go out with each other (with strict restrictions). My mother didnt update this elder as some time had gone by etc.
Anyhow I started to notice after a few months that I wasnt being asked to read or say prayers at the group, there were a few other brothers so it took a while for me to realise I wasnt being asked. At first I thought it was odd but enjoyed the break from doing those chores, but in the end I thought I was being singled out and didnt know why. I went to the PO and mentioned it, to have him confirm he was restricting my privileges for going against my mother. I explained what had happened and why hadn't he informed me that I was being restricted because we could have cleared this all up then. He replied he wanted me to discern there was a problem and then come to him!!! Still actions such as these created the pressure that in time would make me leave.
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Watchtower Society is NOT learning
by Amazing1914 ini believed for a while, since 2000, with the build up of lawsuits and litigation, that the watchtower society was at least trying to protect itself better.
they did publish some useful, if very imperfect, changes in policy regarding child abuse that appeared to suggest their practices were headed in the right direction.. then, in the year 2006, the hammer of hard reality smacks me upside the head.
my son-in-law's dad, who i have mentioned in a continuing series, has been back in jail for sometime because of lying to the police about his sexual deeds with children.
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cyberdyne systems 101
'Watchtower goon-squad. These Elder-goons are trained and educated by the Watchtower Society, the so-called "Jehovah's Organization" in their ways of goon-ology.'
I so had to agree with your terminology, right bunch of goons they are....